Question for Sass (or anyone)

Hi Sass (anyone)

Sorry Im in a rush, so here goes:

I want to make a kick/trap sin for pvm this new ladder.

So what is best skill + gear layout for this cahracter? Will she do fine in PvM? I heard from people, including you, that kick/trapsins are decent options in PvM? Hope im not wrong.

So yeah....I need all information I can get regarding them, and also, this is start of ladder, so I hope she can do well without gg stuff...

THanks! Anyone is welcomed to help answer, its just that I know Sass is a sin expert

peace!|||best is -light res setup with 99 light dmg sc's but gl getting it O_o|||-Light res will not work with traps. The elemental charms won't be an effective option. Zrk did show an instance with maximum amount of + lightning SCs, which did kill quickly. This isn't feasible for gear, and nigh impossible untwinked (like a fresh Ladder start).





Kick / trap are very effective. With decent gear, they can take on quite a bit, and with the more top gear options (drac's especially), they can clear bosses more easily.



Even still, Drac's aren't a necessity to use them well.



For low level gear and good + skills to look for, the Lore runeword (Ort + Sol) gives + 2 to skills and even mana to help. The Death's Set Glove / Belt combo is great for kicking due to the speed and freeze protection; res is a great boost at 15% all res.

Ideally, and especially with the respec availability, you can focus on traps during Normal, and then move to kicks as you get melee gear along the way and need to worry about Lightning Immunes.



More low to mid level runewords are Ancient's Pledge (Ral + Ort + Tal in Shields) for a big mana boost, Rhyme (Shael + Eth in Shields) for mana, res, block, MF, Strength (Amn + Tir in 2 soc weapons (claws for + skill or a fast scimitar)) gives CB, + STR, and life leech. Sigon's Boots are a good damage, low level boot. Ideally, the boots boost kicks the most, so strong boots (Greaves, War Boots, Mirror Boots or Myrmidon Greaves (!)) will be something to eventually upgrade.





Skill-wise, Lightning focus should start with LS (of course), and DS after that (or both at once). DS will be a big factor in killing power with the wide corpse explosion. You can see here for tips on DS placement.

A Shadow (master or warrior, but many chose warrior so she won't over write your traps) will be an excellent diversion and tank for you. MB and CoS are great for crowd control and keep things manageable (and lowers defense!).



All in all, she's a rounded char who has no difficulty remaining effective on low end gear.

Good luck with her on Ladder. |||Thanks Sass!

But....could you please list the skill layout sir...?

Is kick/trap the same as this

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=33542178&f=87

?|||Personally, I'd use Ilkori's Kick / Trap Guide. It goes into more depth than the jsp one.

EDIT: and Ilkori's guide lists skills for at least 3 variations (mostly kicks, mostly traps and a good balance), so whatever you feel more comfortable with will work either way.|||THank you, but to be honest...I finally thought to myself, this sin cannot really be decent without high-end gear....and I want to build her for this start of ladder....meaning no high-end gear...I think she is very nice only if you have gg stuff

Therefore I think I won't build here even though I love this sin ><|||You'd be surprised. The same Blood Crescent I used in a Trist run was the one I killed Hell Baal with on my K/T. Other than eventually getting a CoH and upped Gores, I had no other elites.



The trap part is mostly what makes her a low-gear char. Trappers can run things essentially naked and do well. With kicks, you just need some leech of some kind.|||Quote:








With kicks, you just need some leech of some kind.




err, and some crushing blow.

the power of the k/t'sin is that d-talon is one of the fastest single-target killing skills in the game when you load up on the crushing blow.

this gives you a corpse which, in turn, gets the death sentry howitzer cranking.|||Quote:








err, and some crushing blow.

the power of the k/t'sin is that d-talon is one of the fastest single-target killing skills in the game when you load up on the crushing blow.

this gives you a corpse which, in turn, gets the death sentry howitzer cranking.




not really - at least in a practical situation, hell cs seal boss-dia run. Even the assassin itself has a better build for that situation - regular old traps + fire blast. That is a sort of elephant in the room of the kickers - they dont want to admit it, but a fire blast does exactly all kicks do, more safely, with less skill and item sacrifices to lightning traps|||FB is not going to make corpses faster than DT, and it certainly won't kill bosses faster. It is also not really more skill intensive. You'd only have to spend around 15 to 18 points on it, while you normally spend 19 extra on FB in a pure trap build.